In this episode of the podcast Joe talks to Pastor, Theologian, Activist and Dad: Brian McLaren. Joe and Brian touch on multiple topics including parenting and pastoring but the core of the conversation centers on what it means to be a Spiritual and Religious person in America in 2019. In a country that consistently seeks to divide people into “teams” Brian and Joe discuss how we might seek to reach across the aisle in order to find common ground and new path forward. It’s a bit on the longer side, but well worth the listen. Enjoy!